Thinking about doing a 4agze or a 3sgte swap on aw11. Has anyone on here done it and what’re your suggestions
Thinking about doing a 4agze or a 3sgte swap on aw11. Has anyone on here done it and what’re your suggestions
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IMO GZE is a waste of time. Have you considered turboing your 4AGE?
Nah I want to do a different motor
Why?
Power
A 4AGTE even on stock pistons and stock ECU will be faster than a GZE.
One of MRPs customers recently made over 1000 WHP on a 9AGTE. So unless you want more than that the 4A is a great platform.
I was thinking about doing the 20v swap
First you say you don’t want to turbo your current motor because it wouldn’t make enough power, then you say you are thinking about a 20v which would make less power and cost more to get power out of. Doesn’t sound like you know what you want.
Turbo 20v is one of my favorite motors but it will cost you more to get to a given power goal than 16v since it’s already in your car.
The 20v supercharged makes more power stock then the 16
There is no supercharged 20v. Unless you are talking about the Spiker kit. Either way when it comes to making power turbo > SC.
Sorry I meant 4agze
Yes a stock 4AGZE makes more power than a stock NA 4AGE. No one is arguing that. Put a turbo on your 4AGE and it will make more power than a stock GZE. With just a few more mods you could have it making more power than the GZE is capable of making on the stock supercharger.
I’m not looking get massive power gains and id rather just get the sc gze it’d be a lot easier
I would disagree with that but it would be a matter of opinion I guess. If you will never want any more than 160 WHP then it’s not a horrible choice but still not the best IMO.
http://matrixgarage.com/content/yoshimitsuspeeds-guide-turboing-4a-ge
Idk I’ll have to see
i think the gte logic is wasted here @Summer..
What
Yeah I don’t think Alex got the answer they wanted to hear when they posted.
Whatever the case you gotta know what you are looking for and what you want before you will find it. To be undecided between 20v, 3SGTE, GZE it’s obvious they need to do a lot more thinking and research to figure out exactly what they are looking for.
I want power but not too much power and it has to be turbo but not stock 4age turbo. But i want to 20v it.
Bruh thats what that sounded like.
“I’m not looking get massive power gains and id rather just get the sc gze it’d be a lot easier” That response alone tells me you should stay FAR away from a 3sgte swap, don’t even consider it. There is no such thing as the word easy while doing a 3sgte swap, this is coming from someone who has done it. Listen to @Summer
The thing i dont like about the 3sgte swap is that heard it weighs 30 lbs more than a camry v6,that seems crazy to me
i have a gen4 in my 88sc.. violent is the only word to describe it.
How much hp is gen 4??
260 stock
Yah thats enough to make aw11 wanna move
when boost comes on i regret my life choices. also have a MBC with it turned up to 17 psi.
Wish i had the dough and time to swap from my 4agze to 3sgte
it’s not cheap.
I have a gen 2 with a ct20b at 16psi.. Violent is definitely the word I would use to describe it. Did a second gear pull onto the highway and snapped the seat
Yea. Im building a blacktop 4agte and i can say ill miss the linear throttle response…
What do you mean?
Well i take all my cars to the hills and i can tell that driving the boosted ones adds a lot of inconsistency when it comes to what response you expect for the amount of throttle you put in.
This is comparing it to a 180sx with a t25.
Sounds like you just need to get used to the setup. Or maybe your setup isn’t properly dialed in.
I am running a DSM T25 on my Blacktop and I can only describe it as magic.
I just picked up a VFT TD04 15T though and I am hoping to keep T25 spool and get at least 14b power. Very interested to see how big a difference the VFT makes.
Probably.
My goal for the aw11 is a T28bb setup. Running a smallport gze bottom end and a blacktop head.
What do you think @Summer
I have to say I am not a fan of running pistons designed for another head. I believe these little details are the difference between a mediocre build and a kick ass build.
What are your power goals?
See. Power wise i would love to break 200kw with a 4age. Just because all my friends are moving over to GTR’s and evos and im finding it difficult to stay conpetetive.
I know its a bit of a stretch but hey. Why not
200kw plus response really dont go together too well IMO looking at builds around that figure
My gt2554r on smallport 4agze does 147rwkw and can go toe to toe with 3sgte sw20’s on a track. Sure they are a heavier car.
T28bb is whats going on next which i would expect around 160-170rwkw. Due to slightly higher c/r (8.9:1 with .8mm hg) i am hoping the awesome responce i have now isnt deminished too much.
Gze slugs with 20v heads has been done for years.
I am running a stock BT with original pistons. I think the 11:1 compression is largely why the combo is so much more potent than what most people would expect. Once I am ready to make more power than the stock pistons can handle I still plan to stay high compression because balance, response and power curve are more important to me than peak power.
Honestly the more I get familiar with this setup the further I want to push the stock pistons. More cam will let me run more boost, make more power and have less chance for knock so my next big purchase will be a set of my 272 cams.
http://www.matrixgarage.com/products/matrix-garage-272
Pretty sure with this setup and about 10 PSI my car will be scary fast.
One thing to remember is that GTRs and Evos weigh a good thousand pounds more than a lighter AW11. That’s about 30% less weight which means that from a power to weight perspective you need 30% less power to keep up with them. Power to weight isn’t everything though. 30% less weight means you can brake later and power out harder.
Last week I got to ride along in a Ford GT and on the tight twisty track we were on I am confident with some good rubber and the time to get to know the track as well as that driver does that I could set a faster lap. Granted all hypothetical till I do it but the point of the story is that you gotta take your assets and figure out how to take the biggest advantage of them. With some good suspension and sticky tires a well sorted AW11 should be able to give some heavy crazy high power machines a run for their money as long as the straights don’t get too long or common.
If you’re talking about competitive on the track? Better handling will have you quicker through the twisties than the bigger cars and that gains quicker laps.
Ty @Johnny i wasnt aware it was that hard to get response and keep good power numbers.
Oh. I do quite well right now through the twisties. With my 4a blacktop and good tyres i can keep up to much stronger cars quite easily. But the crew is moving to do runs that involve more straights more often as a result my car and I have to evolve.
Do you two have skype. Because i would love to do a call to talk about this as I really want to learn.
More power means bigger turbo means more lag so there will always be that compromise. With that said I fully think you are well in the realm of quick spool. People have broke 250 WHP on the DSM T25 and that’s pretty close to your goals.
I was going to jump up to a rebuilt 14B that I have until I found this VFT turbo for a steal. I think it will be a much better option.
Even the 14b is not that laggy and people have broken 300 WHP on that.
yes if you want 600 hp out of a 1.6 you are going to have low end lag but a properly sized turbo in the 200KW range you should have a good power curve and reasonable response.
Again though a lot of this comes down to the build. For 200KW I would keep the 20v 11:1 or so compression. Pair that with some cams and a slightly increased redline and you should have very impressive power per PSI and be able to make more power on a smaller turbo.
I do have skype but haven’t had it installed in some time. Honestly I prefer keeping it in text. It gives me more time to think out my response, allows me to go back and reference the convo down the road and when done in a public venue like this may give others the opportunity to learn and or contribute.
What specs are those dsm t25’s? The feral’s old gte with a ca18det t25 (.49/.48) wouldn’t of got that.
Yeah i dont skype. Dont even like talking on the phone. Haha
They are tiny. Admittedly 250 is way overspun and I wouldn’t recommend it but it has been done by those DSMers out to prove a point. Same with the 14b hitting 300. It takes really pushing everything and wouldn’t really be advisable but it does kind of show how flexible “limits” really are.
http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Turbo-compare.html
It all comes down to the setup though. I’ll bet with the right compression, the right cams and the right tune that CA18 turbo could hit 250 as well but the amount of time money and energy you would have to put into it wouldn’t really be worth it unless your only goal was to prove that it could.
Still though the difference in spool and response between your 2554 and just a slightly larger turbo would be pretty small. Pair that with some bigger cams and pushing the limits of compression and octane and you could likely get a surprising amount more out of it. Even on your current turbo, with the right supporting mods could get considerably more power. It just comes down to time and money.
I hate talking on the phone or really talking any way other than face to face. Any time a customer calls me I want to tell them to just email me lol.
I just think a million miles a minute. Makes it hard for me to type sentences that flow coherently.
So are they doing 250 on a 4ag with t25 or a ca18?
The 250 dynos were 4G63s. with the right setup similar numbers would be possible on a 4AGE.
@Ava I think it’s weird you say that because typing gives me the time to actually filter everything out and actually make a little sense and have a somewhat linear conversation. Trying to talk on the phone just pushes me to mental overload and usually ends up in the conversation leading off in non related tangents having nothing to do with the original topic.
i would like to see a 4ag do 250 with a t25.
Yeah so would I. Unfortunately we just don’t have that kind of people and money in this community.
If I got far enough ahead I might go for it one day but it would really be one of those useless wastes of money just to show it could be done. Same thing. As much trash as I talk about the SC12 I am confident I could dyno a higher number than I have ever seen hit with one. I just would need the time and the money to do it. Neither of which I have lol.
@Summer, you have me for that sc12 dyno this winter. And then in a year or two, turbo.